Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Twilight on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:37 pm

Damn it, I said no production notes XD
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Mr Aerospace on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:39 pm

What's wrong with those notes though? They are just as important as the rest of the book.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Twilight on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:45 pm

That's the problem. They really shouldn't be ^^; Important information should be in the story. Not in places where people would probably skip it if they're not that interested.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby SuperVaderMan on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:55 pm

Stories should be self-contained mediums. If you have to read something that isn't within that story to understand something important that's going on, then that story has failed.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Mr Aerospace on Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:32 pm

I beg to differ. There is a distinct difference between the Addenda immediately before and after the story and Dave's Production notes. You need to understand that unless it says production notes, the information contained in those pages are just as critical and important as the action itself.

An easy way to distinguish between the two is to try to figure out if it belongs to Dave or his characters. For example, that locker with posters and newsclipings all over is not Dave or Liz's, yet the designs and scribbled notes on Vanth, Karo and the stripclub are.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that they are unimportant. Remember, the story isn't happening in the present, but being recorded by Nainso for posterity.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Twilight on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:03 pm

Nainso's recordings are not the story. The story is the story. Everything else is menial.

All of those articles and note clippings and files are crap that a lot of people are very likely to skip. And they skip it because as far as they're concerned, the comic is over.

All of that stuff should amount to random funfacts, production notes and jingles. NOT story relevant information. Especially if it ends up creating a bunch of logic holes (but that's a different topic).

It's especially bad if the author were to plant information in those things and then you read it, think it's a big deal, and then the author completely fails to deliver any kind of payoff on that information because it was never meant to be important.

From a regular reader's perspective (as in, one who isn't a devout fan), those pages mean nothing. And if the comic acts as if you're supposed to be grabbing all that information and keeping it in mind, it's really gross when later the reader doesn't understand what the crap is going on until someone tells them to go read all that crap at the back of the books.

The fact that Nainso is "technically" narrating the story means nothing. Go watch Sin City or American Beauty to get some perspective on that.

A story is a self contained medium and you shouldn't force people to look at stuff outside the story to understand it better or look for clues. Nothing in a story should ever be an after thought at the end of a chapter.

Mass Effect 3 and the Matrix sequels did that ****, and look how well it worked out for them D8

Ergo, no, that stuff at the back should never EVER contain important information.

Addendum: I just went back into the books to look at Nainso's involvement in telling the story. He is not involved. He's not narrating. He's not part of the story at all.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby SuperVaderMan on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:26 pm

First off, Nainso isn't narrating the story. That little forward at the beginning of Volume 2 establishes that he's keeping record of events that are happening, yes, but the story is explicitly being shown, not narrated.


Secondly, if a piece of information is not in the story proper, it is unimportant. If it IS important, then that is a heavy mark against the story being told, as it expects the audience to essentially research what they're watching before watching it. That's not a good thing.

I shouldn't have to read the back of a DVD to get important information about the plot if the movie hasn't shown me any of it.

A story could have the most amazing plot in the history of mankind, but if it's all in the footnotes and places that's not in the story itself, then that story in-and-of-itself has no discernible plot.

The forward and ending notes should not contain important information. If they do, then the story has failed in conveying that information.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby TruthQuest on Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:17 am

Eh, lets switch back to something about the story instead...
When Lilith and Namah are scroll-texting each other and Lilith is telling Namah to "make sure that Jeneviv and Kalei read [her/Lilith's] instructions before [she/Namah] leave[s]," they cant have not seen the twins for more than a week, what ever happened to them happened right before the novels, and one more thing, did Namah ever drop Cudd off?
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby Twilight on Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:21 am

It's implied that she did in that she didn't have him with her any more after she went to talk to piggy-man.

And yeah, I've been concerned that the twins parents haven't thrown a fit. I mean they've been gone for at least 4 days now with no contact.
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Re: Volume 3: Intentions Entwined. Discussion Thread!

Postby TruthQuest on Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:28 am

So what or who would she have seen when she arrived?
Also, for You Twi, are (and keep the plot-vault lock if you are) are you guys far enough into V4 to have an inkling of the answer yet? Just a yes or no q, that should be ok to ask right?
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